Live Session (2025-26)

Hej, och välkomna till alla ni som är här. Jag heter Gabriella Frykham och jag tänkte att jag ska börja och ha en. Liten presentation kring Kiaz Academy. Välkomna er till den här Appskill-kursen. Ni hörde också precis här innan Hampus som kommer vara en utbildare. Han kommer också säga hej, men sen kommer jag lämna över helt och hållet till honom idag. Chess Academy. Jag är då Gabriella Frykamp Bella. Med mig har jag också här Gabriella D'Aleiche. Villa say hey, hey unwelcome, welcome allah, Travelyasa Aralahan Det är också kallat Gabi för att det kan vara lite lättare att hålla isär oss. Vi har fått välkomst mejl med information där vår namn finns med. Och ni har också kanske hörde av mig angående alla inloggnings- och administrationssaker.

Om ni har inte fixat inlogg till Slack eller Canvas då ni är välkomna att skriva mejl till mig.

Precis. Då är det Gabbis mejl som man skriver till. Men vi vill skicka vidare sin emellan ifall att det hamnar lite fel. Det är inga fånskheter. Jag är programansvarig, Gabby är karriärstudiesämnare och vi är ett programteam som i vanliga fall sysslar heltid med våra heltidsprogram här på Chats Academy som är en nyrkeshögskola. Men vi har också då hand om den här Upskill-kursen under tiden min kollega Madelene på föräldaledighet som har haft den de tidigare åren. Så det är spännande att få sätta sig in ett nytt koncept för vår skola och kul att träffa alla er och följa den här kursen och se hur det funkar. Med oss har vi utbildarna från Axel Lab, Eric Egert och Campus Setfors. Vill ni säga hej?

Vi kan introducera oss lite mer snart, men hej på er alla. Jag heter Hampus. Just nu pratar jag svenska, och jag kommer switcha över till engelska snart Egert och jag kör intom för Erik Egge. Sitter i Tyskland. Vi väljer engelska istället för tyska. Tillgänglighetspecialist har jobbat i det här fältet tio år och. Lite drygt och har hållit den här kursen. Vad är det? Femte gången vi håller den här kursen. Så börja bli ganska rutinerad på den tror jag. Eric, do you want to say hi um shortly before we we're gonna introduce ourselves more in detail later, but Sure.

Hi, I'm Eric. I'm working from Germany, which I think Humphreys already said. My Swedish is getting better and better. really slowly. Um yeah, l uh happy to be here doing accessibility for like um uh million years uh and uh yeah always always very happy to share knowledge here in this uh

Tack ju Erik. Tär campus. Precis. Nu kommer vi prata mer om alla snart. Vi är en nykeshögskola, vi startades 2017 av modobelaget Chas Visual Management. Som svarar på interna kompetensutmaningar. Vi ska säga att våra nisch är då också hur våra mål ser ut. Vi är skapade av IT för IT. Vårt mål är att förse näringslivet med specialiserad IT-kompetens. Så att vi utbildar bara inom IT. Alla våra program har med det att göra. Idag har vi 12 stycken program och över 750 studerande i Sverige. Vi är Stockholmsbaserade. Jag och sitter i Goben. Vi började här i Stockholm men har vuxit då och har någonting som heter Extended som betyder att vi finns på flera andra ortar. Så här ser det ut vår spridning i Sverige idag och det betyder att vi har flera program som vi har döttat ut olika antal huvud på olika platser i olika städer och kör samtidigt. Och det är det som jag och Gabi har, våra tre program är Extended program. Så här ser vår fulla utbildningsutbud ut. Och sen ser längst ner där till hörnet så har vi Chats Upskill. Och det är den kursen som ni ska gå. Det är en Upskill-kurs. Vad betyder det att det är en man behöver ha ett års yrkeslivsarfarenhet? För att kunna koppla det till att man ska uppskilla sig. Det är inte att man går en utbildning för att bli ett nytt yrke som annars yrkeshögskolan är tillför. Utan det är till för att yrkesverksamma ska kunna kompetenshöja sig. Den här kursen är på 33% studietakt och det är ungefär två timmar undervisning i veckan. Det här är första av två omgångar som kommer ske. Den andra omgången kommer starta i vår. Vi kan ni redan nu tänka på att när ni är jättenöjda med den här kursen, säger till era kollegor att de kanske vill gå omgång nummer två sen. Och sen så vill jag bara redan nu också. Det stod i ett välkomstmejl, men igenpeka att ons den 4 november så finns det då en workshop live här i våra lokaler i Goben tillsammans med Hampus. Så om man inte anmäl sig till den så är råder er att göra det nu. Den är väldigt uppskattad och Väldigt givande. Men ni kan säkert fråga Hampus lite mer om vad den innebär också.

Jag kan flika in och jag kommer berätta mer om den. Jag ska bara säga om folk blev nervösa nu och sa att jag måste åka till Stockholm den 4 november. Den är såklart frivillig, men av de som kommer på den så brukar det vara en av höjdpunkterna i kursen definitivt. Att man kommer få träffa skärmlösar, användare, en kollega till mig. Och så testar en massa hjälpmedel och sånt. Så har ni möjlighet att ta er dit så brukar det vara uppskattan. Jag berättar mer om det sen.

Super. Tack, campus. Nu fick vi fråga. Kan man inte delta på sund. Nej, den är just på plats för som Hampus sa: så använder man olika redskap för att testa sig fram kring accessibility.

Hela allting i utbildningen kommer gå att vara med på distans, och kommer spelas in och sånt, förutom just det här momentet. En grej på plats. Jag fattar om man sitter i sundsvall att det kan vara svårt att ta sig ner. Men det har var någon från Carlstå förra gången som tog sig ner. Så att vissa prioriterar det men jag förstår att det är svårt att alla. Men för de som kan ta sig till Stockholm den dagen så blir en liten bonus grej för er.

Kan jag bara förtydliga en sak här. Jag fick ganska många frågor och förvidning. Tista, 4 november.

Jag ser att det kommer massor på här. Nej, det är såklart. Det är den 5 november.

3 november.

Jag har fått ganska många frågor om det. Jag ser det nu. Det är jag som har skrivit en liten felsiffra där. Det ska vara. Onsdagen 15 november. Bra. Nu har vi det inspelat. Okej, hörni. Super. Då är det tackar från mig. Och så lämnar jag över med varm hand. Tillhand så Eric. Så får en fantastisk start på kursen allihopa.

Härligt. Tack Gabbi och Bella. Var det så?

Gabbi och Bella exakt.

Snyggt. Yeah, and I will now switch to to English. Sorry, you're gonna get to listen to my swinglish the rest of this session, but um all of the other uh sessions you're gonna have either me or Erik so every other week or when you have me it will be in in Swedish yeah in the future. But this first one I'm here together with Erik and Yep, we're gonna introduce the course, we're gonna talk about the kind of general setup of it and then some introduction to VK and accessibility as well in this session. So that's what we're hoping for. And it's always a bit tricky to get like everyone to interact when it's online. I'm really appreciating some of you having your webcams on and kind of writing in the chat and we're we're gonna try to keep up. But it would be fun as well if everyone could unmute and just shout hi as we hear you're out there. Unmute. Hello.

Hello. Hello. Hey, hey.

Hello, thanks. All right, cool. Yeah, here. That we're not alone. Thirty-eight people here. Super fun. Um yeah, uh I'm gonna share some slides. Uh first maybe check out my nice accessibility t-shirts in the background, yeah, Batman in a wheelchair and team Alley and Alley squad and everything else. Both me and Eric are kind of nerdy on this Yeah topic. Yeah. But no You've yeah you've got Batman now in the background.

You've That's true. Yeah that's that's the one. Oh there you go.

Cool. Uh let me share my screen and share sound and kick things off. Alright. Now you should see my screen. I see you, but I don't see the chat. bring up the chat. Alright, now I think I'm set. Cool. So we are gonna do the introduction now. So this course will obviously talk a lot about digital accessibility and some you see to write on your screen some assistive tech that will uh mention and maybe you'll even test them out but mainly we'll focus on how to build interfaces uh code and design interfaces that work well for people for instance who use kind of joysticks or switches um like this guy at the bottom right. And uh on the top right you see some kind of device under the keyboard. Anyone know what that device is or who it's for? You can write or shout out, you can write in Swedish or English and see if you can if we have any guesses. It's got got like blue buttons and some white dots and stuff. Let's see if someone Who is most daring? Who will break the ice? What could this be? Maybe five.

There are already some uh responses in the chat.

Are there? Okay, what chat am I looking at? Oh, I'm I've clicked the person. There we go. Sorry about that. I was like, why is no one answering? Okay, nice. PunktScript charm. Yeah, Braille display. Braille reader. Braille Braille. Blindscript laser. Yeah, actually a lot of people say blindscript, but I think it's the correct term is puncts. Cool. Now I see everyone acting in the chat. Thanks. Alright. Cool. And hello everyone. Before we kick things off, we've had some issues with robots joining our training courses. So, you know, AI is here and everything. So we thought we'd just start off with a simple quiz to kind of prove you're human so so bring up the chat again. We'd just like you to uh write which squares in this image has uh road signs. So if you don't mind just Yeah, write the the answer in in the chat and we can get on with things. All right. Which squares have road signs? None. No, that's not an answer. Hmm. No. Hmm. Nine thirty

We can only accept integers at this point. Yes we can.

Oh okay yeah now I'm a bit uh afraid that a lot we have lots of bots in here. Luckily we have an alternative to this capture puzzle. So and many do you have this kind of headphone icon so let's see if you're better at listening than you are at um seeing stuff 'cause humans can listen. So uh just you you write the following message in the in the chat and in between the mess you're gonna hear it twice and in between it says uh one more time in Swedish So okay, listen listen up and just write this in the chat please. Alright, so just yeah, please just write that message in the chat.

Yeah. Couldn't have been clearer.

No. Oh that was really close. Yeah, to one K too much in that, yeah, from Anne. One more time, gibberish. Someone someone I think in the last course wrote uh Luke, I am your father, and I think that that's the right. Obviously you're you're we're kidding you're you're welcome anyway uh to to this course but uh just to illustrate one of the things that uh cause accessibility issues online uh on the web uh these types of captures and they are these are not like uh uh really special captures it they're taken straight from from Google. I think it was a colleague of ours who who was gonna uh had to yeah, f had forgotten their Google um password or was creating a new account or something and he he got stuck uh because of of this uh audio capture. Yeah so you can try it out next time you you get one of these. Try it to listen to the audio version. It's usually this difficult and you know, with the progress of AI and uh s sound recognition and stuff, th they just become harder and harder. Uh it feels like I think AI is better at answering this than humans at at the moment actually. So I'm one of the this this is our colleague Daniel, he he has one percent vision so he uses magnification and screen readers and that sort of thing. He'll um join in a s one of the sessions uh to talk about why he hates captures more than uh most people but uh it's all captures are also a good example of something that's kind of totally excluding for for some users. Some users will be totally blocked out, but it's gonna be annoying for everyone So I hear uh when you talk to like conversion specialists they say the number one conversion killer is a capture the like uh the number of people who sign up or buy or get an account like yeah. Yeah dives really hard when you when you have a capture because it's yeah, hard for anyone. But yeah, this session at the glance we are gonna do uh yeah an intro here of the of of of a lot of things, um partly what uh accessibility is and why it's important. We're gonna talk a bit about core structure, um the types of session we'll have, when we'll uh videos be released or the next week's material be released and that sort of thing. And then Eric you're gonna do a flyover of BKG to to kind of set the set the bar here straight from the start. And uh yeah go ahead and just uh ask questions and um react um during during the session. We're also gonna ask you some we're gonna have a poll with like get to know each other a bit more. So you're gonna get to say what role you are and what you're hoping to get out of the course and stuff in a In a Zoom poll poll. But uh yeah, Eggert, you want to introduce yourself a bit more?

Yeah, sure. Um so yeah, I'm a web developer, started out as a web developer and and 2008 I started putting my focus on accessibility. Um I have worked with web standards a lot uh since the early two thousands. So uh uh d doing stuff like working in the HTML working group and stuff like that. And that led to my involvement with W3C. uh in its Web Accessibility Initiative uh in 2013 and uh I w worked with them until 2020. um creating mostly educational material. So um I will point out a lot of stuff from W three C that we did during that time. So that's that's always fun. But it's all free and available for everybody who you know who who wants to. to do stuff or adapt it or whatever. So it's it's really it wa it was hugely rewarding work. Um but also like exhausting. So uh you can you can only do it for so long. And then I worked with Nobility, which is a US nonprofit, basically doing audits, so accessibility reviews. um and trainings and uh uh consult general consulting which you know I'm now continuing with Access Lab uh for the last three years and time flies.

It does, it does. Uh and you've been yeah yeah, part of this course from the start. So I guess the first time we had this course must have been in 2022 then. Um Or 2023.

I think early twenty twenty three, yeah. So even this time flies.

It does. It does. Yeah, cool and uh yeah here here I am um I I I chose an image where I I hold um my my newborn at the time. Now it's how now it's five years old, so time flies, uh really. But uh yeah, I guess uh I I'm guessing there are some parents in this this call and uh you realize when you when you when the baby is small at least that you get some um impairments for certain parts of the day like you have to carry I had to carry him a lot like this when he was small. He had like tummy aches and uh you yeah I I started using like my voice to control stuff in my house or uh turn on uh lullaby or some music for the kid to fall asleep or use my airpods to turn on a book or something like that. But uh yeah more professionally I'm a UX designer gone accessibility specialist yeah so I've worked in accessibility since 2012 I am one of the people who run the Stockholm Accessibility Meetup, T12T. Maybe you've Yeah. Attended one of those meetups or if you haven't you should consider that in the future. Sometimes they are on-site, sometimes they are remote. Uh I have some certifications. I don't like to to boost about about them usually but when I do these courses I feel it's quite good because some of you might uh want to go on and take a certification after doing this course you you'll be you'll be far along. So there's this organization called the IAAP International Association of Accessibility Professionals, I think. And they have a couple of different certifications, web accessibility specialists. This is something about accessibility core competences, document specialists and so on. So yeah, you can ask about that later if you if you wish to know more about the certifications. But also I'm one of the co-founders of of Access Lab. And Access Lab we are at the moment around 30 people, mostly frontenders and UXers who specialize in accessibility. We do training and audits and user testing and that sort of stuff. Alright. Yeah, lots of abbreviations in accessibility. So Eric you wrote in the chat. Yeah a bit ironic since yeah abbreviations aren't very accessible. Yeah t T will T yeah maybe we'll talk we'll talk about that later but you can um try and figure out what that stands for. Oh yeah, with the the the baby here, yeah like I said you get motor impairments but you you also get tired uh you you tend to not get enough sleep uh and make m many mistake and get some cognitive impairments. You're interrupted constantly so you need more time sometimes to fill in a form or get stuff done. Uh you need ramps when you're out and about and door openers and And that sort of thing and subtitles when you put the little miracle or monster to sleep, maybe. You don't want to wake it up. So accessibility is important for um uh all of us in some situations in in life. So that's a bit about us. Now I'm gonna try to do a Zoom poll and I prep this beforehand um so now you're gonna get to answer some uh questions that I Throw up. Hopefully they show up now. Yep. So you have three questions And you can answer in English or Swedish like what do you work with at what company or organization? What are your hopes for this course? And have you worked with accessibility A11Y? accessibility before. Should we turn on some music, Eric?

I I'm not prepared to do that, but but it's a good idea. I can I can quickly grab my stylephone from the other room. I do not own a cyberphone.

You could sing.

I could sing, but then nobody will attend this course anymore.

All right, people are uh starting to answer Very nice.

It's fun. This is the first time we do this via via zoom.

Yeah. Exactly. So I'm a bit um like where can I s can I see that? Answers.

No, you cannot.

I can only see the number three, like who how uh uh how much you work with accessibility, but I'd really like to see obviously the Um the free text answers as well. Uh now nine people have answered Um yeah. I'm I'm sorry. Could could I just ask what is Ali? Uh accessibility, yeah, sorry, I said it, but um uh Yeah, I'll write it here. Ali accessibility. I thought I'd uh I I think I re- I ordered the slides uh in the wrong way because we're gonna talk about A11Y and T12Y So thanks for clarifying that. All right, we have twenty six replies. Um let me see If we can see the We're gonna do this. But what I can say, I don't know, you do you guys don't see the answers that everyone else has answered. No, okay. Yeah, we did this on Menti last time. Um but um I can say uh regarding the third one that uh because that's the one I I can see now. Have you worked with accessibility before? We have uh many people who uh have barely worked with it so um 33% say nah barely anything and then we have uh sixty-one percent of the answers are a little bit and three like uh ten percent of the answers are quite a lot so Most people are really new or quite new to this and uh then we have a few people who who have worked with this. Um more. And that's and that's great. Maybe you guys will be able to kind of share more insights and uh um help help out a bit uh in that sense uh during the the lessons. But we will get to stuff that's new for yeah even even people who have. uh work with this uh for some time. So that's nice. I'll uh obviously need to figure out how I see the actual answers off uh what you work with and your hopes for this course but we'll take that uh a bit later after a break and then I can leave the poll up as well and if you want to finish it up then that I think it's a similar maybe structure to to what the other courses have have been in in the know-how.

Yeah, I want to say so. I want to say so. And like this is actually perfect because like what we try to do is like give you all the foundations that you need to like get into it. Uh in a lot of courses and a lot of other situations. Um you just learn as you go. And that means that you get like, you know, puzzle pieces of the whole thing, but you never see the the whole um uh ac accessibility as like the whole discipline. And this course is, I think, special because you have everything. Like we go from uh like how people with disabilities use technology to like what the standards are, to what the techniques are, to what like design and U access. um you know and you get a very holistic view uh at least that's our goal um of what accessibility is and how to to implement it on like on the web primarily because that's that's our platform But um but yeah so so if you don't have any uh or have only a little bit of experience, this is actually perfect, I think.

Nice. And while you spoke I uh figured out how to actually uh see the the answers to the first one so I'll um share it here. Um we can see some kind of word cloud here people are designers, UXers, frontenders, students, uh uh some product owners it looks like but yeah just looking through some of them UX designer previous consultant in-between job ux um of uh public sector UX web specialist at Malm I think um oh was it oh no that was Malmö commun um attended previously. UX Design, e-hälsomyndigheten, SRF-konsulterna, Graphic Designer webb Ansvarig webmaster. IT Technician, UX Designer Atantrop, nice. UX designer, kommunikatör editor. Noite, UX UX project lead P It's always fun with yeah, it's it's great when we have different types of of roles. Yeah, so front-end developer we have here product owners, front-end developer. I think someone at SAS has attended previously Obviously oh we have lots of uh forsaking scuss and people, that's fun. Um maybe you've been uh suggested this course by OSA or Hollenberg or something something

like that. Cool. I see a lot of nods in the audience.

So nice. Uh and let's see what you hope to um do in this Course, word clouds like knowledge and learning and accessibility obviously getting better, Vekag and stuff. Alright. Learn more, learn more, deepen my knowledge, learn more, get to know more about accessibility, understand how I can use it in my daily work have better knowledge about VCAG oh news uh uh news in accessibility field but also formal proof of what I can that's that's sometimes great from with these courses you can put that On your kind of resume. Hope to learn more about accessibility Accessibility give a better experience for everyone. Learn more about accessibility, more knowledge. Become a black belt in Ali. No, nice. So I can create a accessible design. Are we authorized to hand out black belts, Egert?

Uh I think we're mostly like brown belts maybe. I think that's like third level. I don't I don't know. I'm not I'm not super familiar but it should be purple belt.

Like it's the purple pound we talk about when it's like disability money and so purple is kind of the disability Yeah, an accessibility colour.

That's true.

Understand accessibility beyond checking of law requirements. Yeah, so hopefully here you'll b both learn to like what the law says but also like you will need to go beyond it to make something accessible. So hopefully you will check off that one. Yeah, uh content better requirements. Um that's nice. uh can I can uh guide colleagues like get knowledge so I can guide colleagues how to improve the online shopping experience. That's nice to have more and more people who work with kind of e-commerce are starting to upskill in this topic since some of the new legislation affects e-commerce. That's cool. Have a lot of uh have have learn a lot and have fun. Nice. Yeah. Fun is not allowed.

This is accessibility, so unfortunately I have to like To say this isn't this is not something we do. Yeah. Everything is very serious.

Yeah, you can um quit now. No hopefully we'll make it fun. It is actually this the this topic is a lot of fun, but most people when they kind of encounter accessibility they get like a requirement that says VCAG and they try to reveal VCAG and that's no fun. Uh but if you if you uh I find it fun.

Okay, I'm sure some people do.

Uh but uh sometimes when you take the user perspective uh most people find that more more fun to approach accessibility from a user perspective. Alright, getting more knowing more about accessibility but also setting some kind of strategy for accessibility, how we kind of work with handovers and stuff. Setting goals. Yeah, we're gonna talk a lot about strategy in the end of the course. More knowledge, daily knowledge, VCAG implementing it To learn more in detail about key properties and relevant information to follow accessibility standards, cool. Be inspired and educated Yeah, and um hopefully uh the some of the user centered session will be extra um interesting in that sense. Laws, VCAG, work with accessibility combined with UX, nice. We're gonna talk a lot about how to kind of integrate it in your roles and finally um more understanding into the topic and how to implement with limited resources yeah this is a sad truth uh for many who kind of want to work with this that uh it's uh no one says it's kind uh not the prioritization but uh when it comes to oh budgets and resources it always kind of uh yeah we had other things to prioritize now. Yeah, we tend to end up with limited resources. We're gonna talk a bit about how to argue uh for accessibility uh being prioritized and so Learn more about VCAG, accessibility testing and yeah, generally get better at accessibility. Okay, cool. Yeah, I think this will will be a nice group of people. And like here we can see uh the number of people saying how many. Um how of the thirty-four who answered ten barely have worked with access Accessibility 22 have worked a little bit and three have worked a quite a lot. Thanks. Now I feel like I know you much better. Okay, uh let's do some basics before jumping into the course uh setup that sort of thing. So what what is accessibility and why is it important? Let's start uh from the top. So um you can see um disabilities or impairments as different kind of categories of of them. So you can say, see some people might have a permanent uh impairment like Stephen Hawking had a permanent uh motor impairment ALS and uh yeah he passed away a couple of years ago but Um yeah, yeah, yeah. I there's a great film about him, the theory of a theory of everything or something like that. Yeah, which goes through his life so I think he got his motor impairment when he was in university sometime. And then you can also have a temporary impairment. He broke in your arm ski or something or you can have a certain situational impairment uh for instance carrying a baby and this is all um taken from or this model is taken from the Microsoft inclusive design toolkit Which is a great resource if you want to check that out. Um for Checking's custom we had a couple of you guys here. You have a nice uh Swedish version of this uh where um you talk about oh you have this matrix of like sight, hearing, speech, motor and cognition. Microsoft also had this kind of matrix. I like I think you guys added cognition while it wasn't there in the original of the microscope But yeah, here you can see like the different categories of disability and how yeah, for instance for site you can have A vision impairment permanently, or you could have an eye infection that's temporary, or in a certain situation you have sunlight on your screen, and then you In all of these situations it's good with nice contrasts, for instance, and sufficiently large text and and so on. Maybe I should mention that for motor impairments, what can be important? Well, inputting information in a form takes longer time if you um missing an arm or have ALS or have broken arms or carrying a baby so you know uh when you have forms Yeah, you have to fill in having them auto-complete, yeah, or you you know, you fill in your social security number and everything else pops in there and not asking for un unnecessarily many uh things in that form and that sort of thing will be really beneficial to to all of these. And you could look at for speech and hearing and cognition and so on as well. And then to the right of of this infographic you have this note that says digital Solutions should work without sight, with limited sight, without um colour vision, without hearing, with limited hearing, without speech um with limited strength or function in your hands, with hand tremors, with if you're sensitive to kind of blinking interfaces, flimmer, and with cognitive impairments. And this is not something that you yeah, like Sharkings Kastan or Microsoft have just thrown out up there. It's taken straight from the European standard for um accessibility, yeah, which is what the law points to. So this is kind of the introductory chapter there. It says, well, this is what the law is for. It's yeah digital things should work for users with these impairments. So some uh like this this could be your kind of uh cheat cheat or note card to like okay uh everything kind of boils down to to this. Things should work for this for users with this impairment. So like that

Yeah, and I I think I think this is also a great thing to keep in the back of of your mind when you are looking at certain situations or certain like if you if you look at the web content accessibility guidelines thing and you go like how how should this work and then you think back okay for for for who Is this made? Like what what types of disabilities um addresses this certain criteria makes it easier to to uh to interact with digital stuff and then that can explain a lot of the the things that are happening. So um so just keep keep that in the back of of your mind that we always anything we describe Um that is technical, or where we say like this is a rule or best practice or something like that. The goal is to give people with disabilities access, uh, and it's always one or more of these uh different like um f functional uh uh d disabilities that uh you know that benefit from it. Uh so it's it's It's very uh I think beneficial to like think about those. Nice.

Yeah, so Orsa Hollenberg uh has created this with Sara LEA. Yeah, they can and and Lotti. Yeah. Don the illustration. You can high-five them if you see them at the office all you forsaking skills and people. All right, um and this is a core concept. Uh if we design for more difficult scenarios, for instance when you have Like kids jumping around in the background and you're tired and you have a headache and stuff like that. It improves the experience for everyone. So even if you're in a really good place and you're in front of a fireplace and really calm, you will uh be you will benefit from me like super clear interfaces that that are forms that are short and and stuff like that which will be super important. situation so if we try and see um that we or focus on designing for more difficult scenarios then we'll get something that's better for most people and that's uh the core of what's called Inclusive design and let's take a definition here. So inclusive design is the design of mainstream products and/or services that are accessible to and usable by as many people as reasonably possible. Without the need for special adaptation. So, some key parts here: it's mainstream products and without the need for special adaptation. So um uh many times you encounter people who say um oh it's it would be difficult to make our booking flow or our website or app uh accessible. So what about having a button or a special website or something, a button where you click to get to a special interface, yeah that is super accessible. But that's not in line with including Design and it even though it might be a nice thought or a nice intention, people with disabilities do not appreciate. having to use special separate products or having to find special settings to kind of activate um and also uh the air airline company, I I like to take this example, a the airline company SAS, the Swed Scandinavian Airlines they had one of these eh they called it separate but equal interface So basically if you were using a screen reader, so if you were blind and using a a um an assistive device that reads up the uh the website for you. They yeah the mainstream booking flow wasn't accessible but they kind of linked to an accessible version of it and the accessible version was super accessible. But uh both in the US and Norway they were sued and had to like kind of pay a lot of fines because of this uh separation so they the uh the law did or the courts did not feel that this was in line with the the um laws and the web content accessibility guidelines and so on.

is some sometimes like interesting because like it's some it's often difficult to like address all needs under one UI Um of course, but uh but the problem is that you never get this equal equality right because you know you might introduce a new feature in your booking flow and then you also need to at the same time implement that feature in the accessible version and then the accessible version doesn't have high the same priority so it gets like backlogged and out of the sudden, you know, a disabled person cannot get a discount where a non-disabled person can. So that's that's where the big like problem lies with these like separate but equal interfaces because you will never like I have never seen that like being good in in any in any circumstances. So yeah.

Yeah I think it's also worth pointing out in this definition that it it doesn't say it should be accessible to and usable by everyone. It says it needs to be accessible to and usable by as many people as reasonably possible. You will always find uh you you will always be able to find certain users who are uh maybe not even digitally active. Uh we have a colleague who has a s uh who whose sister she uses tech, she uses like some kind of eye control. uh or eye tracking a thing and a computer but she uses that to communicate basic needs like I'm hungry, I'm I need uh I'm tired, I I I need the bathroom and and that sort of stuff. She has like six things she she communicates and obviously she's not surfing the web. And yeah, however like much you work with creating your easy to read content or easily navigate nav easy to navigate website, she will not be able to use that. But uh b yeah even though you can find those users uh you should try and push to get as many people as reasonably possible uh to be able to use your your uh service or product and usually you can find like oh now at at the moment we are probably excluding a lot of people who we could include if we have a simpler language or if we have a more intuitive um I don't know structure or if we make sure the accessibility of our um components would be more up to date and so forth. Cool. Another way to put it is what the Billy the or Billy Gregory put on Twitter. uh some time back. When user experience doesn't consider all users, it should be called some users experience. Yes, sucks. So uh we we have a lot of UXers in here. Uh after this course uh you will definitely be able to call yourself UXers but uh we don't we don't know yet but maybe you are just sucks S UXers or whatever you would say it's Um at the moment. So let's um yeah, let's try and consider poll users This nice quote I feel like to some summarize things. So for people without disabilities, technology makes things easier. For people with disabilities, technology makes things possible. Mary Pat Radabau from IBM said this. And it it it it all also kind of summarizes at least what I feel is When when I do a lot of user tests and I meet a lot of users with disabilities and most are very positive towards like tick the technological kind of yeah advancements that have been made the last decades. Especially people who have had uh let's say their disability since the nineties have have felt like how how much more um What do you say? Losing the words like independent and uh how how much more you can do yourself um helpstand is the Swedish Claudio and I think he'll bring his new AI glasses or what are they called, like um meta-raybands or something And it's basically glasses that and he can ask them like what's in front of me or what's on this can from my fridge or that that sort of thing. So it a lot of advancements is being made uh now with with AI as well. So it's pretty cool I think. And finally, before taking a break, I want to point out that accessibility is no longer optional, and we're going to deep dive into legislation in a couple of weeks as well. So we have the European Accessibility Act och tillgänglighet sett into force since the twenty-eighth of June this year, so just a couple of months gången. It's um the government agency PTS is starting to kind of uh audit or review different e-commerce sites at the moment. And then we also have previously the web directivos och doslagen that affects public sektor that has been. in force since uh maybe seven years or six seven years or something like that. Cool. We're gonna take a break now. Let's see each other in 13 minutes.

All right.

Welcome back everyone. Let's share our screen. We're gonna go into the course struct course structure now. Um first, yeah, this um This is what I thought I I I should have shown before showing you the poll. A11Y what? Alright, so accessibility is hard to spell. It has uh and um and really long on social media so pe people have like shortened it to a eleven y um make it yeah easier to have a hashtag and uh quicker to write it and so on. And the eleven or one one they look like L's so A lot of people talk about early early specialist, early review, early lead, etc. So that's where that comes from. And then my question there in the beginning, like what do you think T12T stands for? Well, the tillänglighet has twelve letters between the T's. So obviously We have T twelve T and I wanted to show you that we now didn't I bring it up now. T12T. We se. If you like this topic, then this is kind of the Swedish accessibility community. And we have meetups, there's a Slack group, there's a newsletter and so on. Yeah, so if you like this topic and want to Yeah, stay up to date and hang out with other accessibility nerds, then this is a good forum Cool. All right, core structure. I hope this is uh correct. But yeah let's look at the regular week in this course. And now obviously it's the first week so it's a bit different because of that. But in like imagine you're in the middle of the course. The Tuesday of the previous week the video or video sessions will be published on Canvas. And the video sessions will be usually around 30 to 60 minutes long, divided up into multiple videos. You're gonna see examples of this short Okay. Then so then you have like that week, that weekend, and the Monday to to kind of get through those. Because on Yeah the the current week's Tuesday uh between thirteen to around fifteen or one to three in the afternoon. We'll have live tutoring in whole group on Zoom, just like or kind of like we're doing now. We're gonna meet in the same kind of setting. And then we are going to uh maybe look into uh specific interfaces, kind of try out the techniques that we've talked about in the uh videos. Uh we're gonna have a QA so it's really good if when you're watching the videos you have a notepad and kind of jot down your reflections or questions and so on and bring them to the live sessions. One problem that we have had in previous courses is that everyone comes hoping that others have brought their questions. And sometimes there's like one or two who have, but It would it's much better if you kind of just write down your thoughts while you're watching the the videos and then uh bring them to the sessions. It it becomes much more dynamic. Yeah this live tutoring. Um and after the a kind of live tutoring you also have an opportunity to if you wish book uh individual tutoring time with me or eric I'm gonna show you how that works and what you can book yeah what you can talk about shortly um and then anytime you go you can go into the slack group Yeah, I've seen a bunch of people find the Slack group. If you haven't found it, talk to Gabby or Bella about that uh to to get access. But we have this kind of yeah, forum or channel in a Slack group where you can right a quicker everyday communication stuff. So basically like Tuesdays is the accessibility uh day. Um and like we said we're gonna record everything we are we're not gonna record the individual book t uh tutoring but uh the other things we're gonna record. So if you can't uh come that's that's fine your this course is supposed to be possible to kind of join uh completely um remotely and at your own time but It is you're gonna get so much more out of it if you can make time to come on on the Tuesdays to to kind of interact live there with us. Yeah, so really encourage you to try to prioritize these these sessions actually joining the live event, but we're not gonna force anyone.

Yeah, we d we will not send our like, you know, handlers with dogs to your houses and uh tell you that you have to And that's that's not that's not our goal because we we think everyone is here, you know, out of their free will and uh uh and so yeah, uh you know we we want to make it as easy and approachable to attend and like learn from these uh as possible and you should be able to do that in your own time. We also know that some people have meetings at those times. And this is also if you uh don't have time to attend the Tuesdays bookable tutoring time um but you want to like discuss a specific thing with me or Hampus, you know, feel free to reach out through Slack and say like, hey, can we uh make another, you know, appointment and we will work it out. Like this is not Like, you know, we we try to be strict with our work time and stuff, but you know, we we also try to be flexible for you. Um and just to uh to say how this works in practice, so Um at one when we started this meeting, the um videos for next week released uh on the platform already. So when you log into uh canvas uh you will find the videos. You can watch them in parallel with this. I don't know why you would do that, but but it's possible. Um and then uh and and that's all for next week and then in the live session we go deeper in that. The only thing where we do this a little bit differently is over the Christmas holiday period because we will have three weeks off. And basically uh I've put it so it will release like I think four weeks of content at the same time. So you can work on this in your s in in your own time because uh you know, why would we control how you do stuff over your break. So uh so you have like a lot of time, you know, if you want to work during the break on those uh like three or four sessions that come after the the break. Nice.

And uh yeah, a bit more deep dive into the kind of bookable tutoring uh sessions. Uh there you'll be able to get some individual coaching from Yeah we've had a really wide var variety of topics on on these so um yeah take the chance if you if you wish uh there's a link here i'll show you the link in from canvas instead and yeah where you'll more likely find it in in the future And yeah, on that note, let's just check out Canvas if you haven't seen it So basically you should be able to come to some sort of page on canvas that looks Sort of like this, but this is obviously like the administrator or teacher view of it.

So So Humphus let me let me teach you something Like live. If you click on the top right, it says uh look at this like student and then you see, you know, it's a little bit clearer, I think.

That's pr perfect, thanks. Uh I didn't know about that. So here you have the Zoom connection, you also have the book tutoring link. So if you want a book tutoring you go into that, you'll open a a sheet and you can kind of Book tutoring for week two here, so next week, and the week after, and so on. So And yeah, you should book this uh at least a day in advance because we'll kind of lock it down uh after we're uh yeah on the actual day. So um We yeah, if some of them are not used then we we will uh cancel them. Uh but here you will uh see um what types of things will be released and at what uh time so at fifteen so at three today so in forty-five minutes we'll Kind of release some some stuff here for course week one. Course week two is already released. So here We have some videos of VCAG two point two and big video of VCAG fundamental. So it'd be a lot of standards the first week. and get you straight dive straight into stuff and you can see like what will come up later, page structure, laws, etc. etc. So that's how how Canvas works. And if you haven't got access to Canvas or don't know where to find it, you should check out your introductory email or talk to our good friends at Chess Academy in Delhi. help set you up with it.

Yeah. And uh if if you see like this is not for the first week um or for the first few weeks, but um for most of the later um sessions we have set it up so that every video has individual videos for topics um but then also a video that summarizes all of them so if you want you know a lot of of the videos you probably don't need to see the screen uh necessarily so you might just like download it and like listen to it like a podcast or whatever, you know, c put it on in the background and just only look at the screen when you want. And then you have these what I call omnibus versions where you get all all the videos conc concatenated that are uh So you can like get everything and then you can also dive into the individual videos.

I haven't figured out how to do it on mine so

Hopefully um you'll be fine with Oh I can glue yours together. Oh can you?

Okay, then uh do do that please. All right, cool. Any reflections or questions regarding the kind of core structure, canvas and so on? Let me check chat as well. No? All right. Finally too good at this. Yeah, we are. Yeah. Or everyone's asleep. I don't know. Um the on site day, fifth of November, right? Uh Wednesday, fifth of November. I think two two o'clock to six o'clock. I mean we'll be done before that but we thought we'd hang out and just uh eat some candy and uh have some drinks uh after the session. We'll be at chas, uh, near Globen in Stockholm. You give reasons to come, you get to try out the sister tech, meet each other, have a kind of of uh there, some free candy. Uh and yeah. Uh so it's not vol it's it's not um something you have to do, it's completely voluntary and I know some m many people sit in other parts of the country. But if you have uh the opportunity to come to Stockholm or uh you are located in stockholm then com. There should be we should send out some kind of sign-up link or if it hasn't already been done we'll make sure to do that but now you know it's the 5th of November. All right, yeah, questions and reactions I just asked and no one had any. Yeah, so Eric Do you wanna take over and do uh kind of flyover of VKEG?

Yes, I will do that. Oh, I think we should talk about the exam We I think we haven't uh had uh a slide for that. So um at the end uh there is a period of time. I think we have it around three weeks uh where you have time to do an examination of a website, doing an accessibility test there. All the details we will publish a little a few weeks into the course. I think it's always like You know, we could publish it immediately, but then you we get all the questions of like, oh, what do you actually mean with stuff? So we give you the introduction first. um and then you get you get the information about the examination. Um and uh but we will give it to you early so you can work on it like on your own time. You don't like need to do it at the end. um you know for the like just in in the last three weeks of the course and get stressed out about it, you might even be ready before the course is over. Because that's just how nice we are. Um just trying to give you all the things you need. And I have all the windows open that I don't need, so trying to clean up my my screen so I can concentrate on this. um a little bit more. So yes, this is the brief introduction. Next week there will be like a whole course over WCAG, but I think it's always nice to like give you a little bit more um uh f foundational things to think about and also you know we we don't want this first uh thing to be like just oh what what are we doing uh for for for the course so uh this is this is this um and this is like really like the base the baseline stuff and uh uh and we go into into depth next week. So yeah, so let's take a look at WCAG and um uh make sure that we have a basic understanding of what it is. Um and the WCAG stands for Web Content Accessibility Guidelines. And if you look at all the like laws and like requirements everybody goes back to the web content accessibility guidelines so they must be you know Pretty okay, I guess. Um I I personally like them very much uh and uh uh they give you the um The requirements for like well basic guidelines on accessibility. Web content, uh it's called web content because it's developed By the uh W3C, which is the World Wide Web Consortium. So they are a standards organization that is specifically made for web stuff. So that's why it's not called, you know. Mobile accessibility guidelines or whatever. That is the basis. But as we found out, like it's very much applicable to mobile applications, to um uh web applications, uh basically, you know, desktop applications even, like a lot of the principles are valid. Um the web is the most accessible platform out there because it's so open and everyone can interact with it. Um and so Um uh that's why it also makes a little bit sense to like base it uh off this. Um I guess the accessibility guidelines part is uh self-explan explanatory. It's developed by this organization, as I said. This is the Web Accessibility Initiative from W3C. They got a new logo. Way WAI is usually how we um abbreviate it and it was founded in 1997. You will find in the course materials and when we go through like different the stuff, you will find the old logo because we didn't like little secret, we didn't update all the videos. only because W3C uh changed their logo. Um they they don't pay us to do that. So so we will see this uh logo which is uh Much more familiar and I like it more. Um but um good that's that's just how it is. Um And the WAI was started by these two people. I think it's always good to know who like starts out and and did stuff. And this is uh on the left, Sir Tim Bernersley. who uh is coincidentally also the founder of like what we call the World Wide Web um today Uh and uh he used to be my boss when I was at W3C uh and I was in a room with him and I couldn't bear myself to talk to him because I was like starstruck. Yes. Really, really badly. I was like, oh my god. That was a lot of fun. Uh also um yeah. Also it was Halloween and he was wearing a mask and it didn't make it it didn't didn't make me more comfortable doing it. Um and yeah and he uh s started um uh started the W3C, the World Wide Web Consortium in uh 1994 after inventing the web in uh 1989 and he was like, oh we need standards and rules and making sure that like the browsers and the websites they can talk with with each other. So we need someone who like creates these standards so uh we know what's going on. And very early um he created WAI. b because he was like, okay, this needs to be like for everyone. Everyone needs to have uh this experience. And so in 1997 He started to uh with Wei and uh Judy Brewer, who is uh on the right here, um, has led Whey until 2022. Uh so uh for almost twenty-five years. Um and uh very influential on like, you know building out the web content accessibility guidelines, making sure that like in every standard that W3C publishes, like CSS um HTML until a certain point, you know, SVG, all those fun fun standards that we use on a daily basis almost that accessibility is in there in some form and like there's not something that is inherently inaccessible. At least that's the plan, you know uh the best plans. They all always fail um in the face of actual people using it. But um yeah that's the that has been the goal And so after two years the WAI announced the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines. Very straightforward, May 5th, 1999 um the first standard for accessibility. Um that's of one of the first things that weighted um and i don't want to go into too much detail uh because this is more a historical artifact at this point Um, but it was very specific for the technology use. So it says in HTML use you know headings H1, H2, H3. Like it was very technical. Um from that. And this was very good for the time, but it didn't allow to go beyond that. Like to go like, okay, if there is new technology involved, we need to have We need to change the guidelines to reflect that technology. And that, you know, worked for the early web, but it didn't really work for later. So they decided to like start from start anew and say like, oh, let's do web content accessibility guidelines 2. 0 based on that with those learnings Now it took a little bit of time, um nine years until the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2. 0 came out. Um which, you know, is not isn't is not super slow, but also not super long, um, uh not super fast. So December 11th, 2028, 2008, they published those new web content accessibility guidelines, which are the guidelines that are basic the basis of the standards. Till today. Like a lot that you see that is a little bit weird in web content accessibility guidelines Is the basis that these things are relatively old, you know, and today we would do things a little bit differently, but you know. Um that's just just how it is. So uh you know, don't don't wonder too much about that Um the new standard was was much clearer and also uh less technology specific. We sometimes say it's technology agnostic. That's I think it's a bit a little bit much. But um uh but it it wasn't like specific for HTML, but when new stuff came in you could like look at the guidelines and say like, oh yeah, this matches the guideline, this doesn't match the guidelines, so much more flexible. Um but that was like not the last thing that they did. So um in uh 2018, um just ten years later, um they published the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2. 1. Which is uh you know from the like big step of Wickec 2. 0 uh a relatively minor update, but there have been some more revisions um uh and some new guidelines in there, uh which is which is awesome. That's what we want to see. Uh and then just a few years ago in 2023. So only five years. You know, it's get getting quicker. Uh WCAG 2. 2. Um for uh for additional uh guidelines and um if you look at the um At the videos for next week, you will see that I will do the 2. 0 and 2. 1 uh guidelines. I will describe what is included and what is not included And then there is a separate update video for BKEC 2. 2 because that came later uh out later after uh I did the videos for uh the first uh or for for WCAG as a whole. So um so I did an update video for that. Um and uh yeah and then I go into specifics. I don't want to go into specifics here And there are now um works underway to release Web Content Accessibility Guideline 3. I put 2028 in and a question mark behind it. Like this is this is pure fiction. It will not be ready by 2028. Don't don't even worry about it. Like this should probably be more like 2032 that sounds sounds more like it. So uh there's still a lot to go. Uh I have to say uh I've always been critical about WCAC3. Um They're also not called web content accessibility guidelines anymore. They're W3C accessibility guidelines now. Don't get me started. Um but uh but what I see what I've seen recently is like real progress and like they look much better than they looked like a year or two ago. So if you have heard like two or three years ago that Rickek 3 is coming, it's still true, but like we don't still don't know really what it looks like. So I my big recommendation is to just ignore it for now. Um even if people say like oh this thing comes in Recact 3 they don't know this is all pure um Yeah, they they just think that might happen, you know, and maybe it does, but probably it won't. Uh quick overview about the basic principles uh of the web content accessibility guidelines. It's the four core principles, perceivable, operable, understandable, and robust. And this fits really well into the uh disability categories that Hampers talked about because we want to make sure that everyone can perceive all content. So that means if you have a video content, you need transcripts If you have audio content, you need maybe also transcripts, but you might also need captions for a video So that's what perceivable means. Operable means that everyone can use the stuff that you actually put out there. Uh understandable. uh means that uh everyone can understand what's going on. So that might mean that you get error notifications, that you uh know like which form field belongs to to what? Stuff like that. Um and robust is that it technically works for everyone because if that's not a given, then you know, uh you probably have problems with other uh principles as well. And then there's additional information. So there's the core WCAC specification, which has uh 70 success criteria, I think, for WCAC AA Well, we'll talk about this at length in the video. Um and then there is additional stuff which is understanding and techniques. Um and the understanding is basically explanations that go more into depth and try to explain like what is actually meant with the uh success criteria with which are basically the rules of WCAG. um and just trying to give you more of a like explanation and give you more of a like context for stuff so you can can better understand them. And then the techniques, which are the least important things, they are like technical examples for accessibility. But it's good to know and have that in your in the back of your mind. I always like to point at stuff, usually using an arrow. And here I point to the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines overview on the Way website. This is also in the slides that we're going to going to publish, so we will find it there. And that gives you like the big high level overview uh on the different versions of WCEC uh 2. 0 and 2. 1 and 2. 2. Uh yeah, and that's all I have uh for you. Nice. Any questions? Probably not because I will talk about this like so much over the next couple of months.

Yeah, um I guess we can mention that uh we're gonna start like some feedback we've gotten is that we start out running or like jumping straight into the standards and um it's gonna be a bit like the first week here the content is gonna be a bit For some, if you haven't seen the Vika guidelines earlier, it might feel a bit overwhelming and that's that's completely fine. We'll we'll then kind of break it down and go into more uh a more pragmatic or like um user-centered approach as the weeks go by. So just be Be a bit uh ready for for that.

Yeah, and I I mean the the most important thing for next week's uh course is that you learn like okay How is uh WCHEX structured? You know, where do I find stuff? How does that go? Because that's often what what I see when I work with people who haven't been in accessibility because they don't have that, they don't know the structure of WICHAC, they struggle with like when they have concrete things to like put that back and and and and get that context um with it and so by frontloading that like structural work Um it will like pay off in the future. It's it's very boring. So when I when I'm on the screen it's usually relatively boring. When Hampers is on the screen it's usually um uh fun and exciting so you you get both of those um but uh but yeah i th I think it's uh it's really useful to have that like technical um theoretical underpinning first and then uh you you will see like oh this this connects here and you will uh get a better better feeling for stuff.

Nice, nice. Alright, um we're we're yeah good look it sounds like a classic designer developer relationship. Yeah, that's uh Yeah, exactly it. Good analysis there, Kia. And uh if you're a developer you might find like Eric's deep dives a bit more interesting. They're gonna be more nitty-gritty and if you are a designer you might find some of the stuff I do more into or if you're like a product owner or More strategies. It's fine if you like, oh I don't understand everything Eric is talking about in this session, but you're kind of hopefully getting a sense of let's say what's possible to do uh technically, then some of the other sessions will be maybe more up your alley, be more interesting and so on. So you don't have to feel like, oh, we have to understand everything that's that everyone is talking about or feel everything is 100% relevant to me.

So yeah.

Good to know.

Yeah. And and for and for mine, like usually you will see that I use the um asynchronous videos for like setting the stage and and say like okay this is what we're talking about, this are these are the principles that you you need to understand and then in the live sessions actually show like more practically what these individual things mean because uh you know, then we can have a discussion, can have like, you know, interaction. And I think that's that's more useful. And also like the videos, you can always listen to them again Um so so putting like most of the knowledge in there and then the explanation in the exploration into the um the live sessions is is usually good and as as what you always can do, you know, is schedule a uh li um uh a meeting And then we can talk stuff through. If something is like super hard to understand, feel free to put that into the Slack and then you know we can go deeper into that in the live session as well. This is like there's there's no shame in like not understanding. This this stuff is hard and complicated. So uh don't don't get like um afraid uh asking questions because it's totally fine. Like we we know.

Alright, cool. And Sean uh asked a good question. So for next week you're supposed to go through the material on canvas Kushvekka 2 Yes, uh exactly right. Since uh this is the first course week, next week is gonna be course week two, so the material for course week two is released now. You can go through it uh anytime from now until Tuesday I would I would say. Um like yeah from now until next Tuesday So yeah, that and then on next Tuesday we're gonna release course week three and the same thing goes there

Yes. And we will not remove anything from the canvas. Like you get access to everything like for all the time. So even if you say like in three weeks, oh I didn't understand something, you know, from week one because I only got to this now. Which is totally fine. Like feel free to to to to look at stuff and reach out like you know. You the you you do you. Nice. You do you.

All right. Uh any other questions or reflections you have Mm. All right. Yeah. So even though Eric said no one can laugh and have fun during this course, I I hope that we're gonna both interesting and engaging and and fun so yeah and usually and usually people find it is uh how you can help is uh joining the sessions asking the questions, like uh writing, engaging on Slack. It it will um you will learn more and you will help others learn more by it. So the more you kind of put into it the more uh you you should get out of it. And I know that like doing these kind of online things it's uh tempting because you ha uh like to do an email or check out Slack or cook some food or hang some you know uh I'm I'm I'm super aware of of that, but like we're gonna try and remind you and hopefully you can kind of try and be present and try to put the like It's a 33% course a tempo, like like they said in the beginning, but we have two hours and the videos. That's like three hours. If you can at least like those three hours be uh be present and really prioritize this uh then you'll be very um You will very likely get a lot of uh both insights and engagement from this course.

Agreed.

Alright, I see a question here about the in-person workshop. Can you confirm again which day it is? And what should I tell my boss when asking him to pay for the trip and hotel night? Nice, okay, so the day it is is and I'm gonna just double check so I don't confuse people again. Um it is the fifth of November, a Wednesday. How do you convince your boss? Depends on what type of boss you have, I guess. Listen to what they their usual kind of questions are. Yeah, I would probably go with something like, hey, I'm as you know, hopefully you know, uh I'm yeah, doing this this course. It's gonna be completely remote, except for this one thing where we get to go to a workshop, uh try out some assistive technology, meet some users and uh a lot of people are saying it's a great great thing. So please, please, please can I go? Maybe maybe something along those. Um all right, uh Isabella is confused is there a test and uh they are saying oh a check in what's a check in for week two I think that's something Yeah, chass adds. Yeah, it's more like No, it's different.

It's like uh uh Cross Week two, Cross Week Two Check in weeks three three and two.

Oh yeah, yeah. Okay, I get it.

Okay, yeah, I see now.

Yeah. I'm editing those.

Yeah, let's take those out. I think in earlier um earlier uh versions of this course they've added like hey check ins for the week how are you yeah how are you feeling are you following along and so on and then we've kind of changed the order of things and some have um yeah stayed so it's not it's just a mistake from our end thanks for pointing it out and we'll make sure uh those are uh edited so You don't no and no, it's not going to be continual uh tests or stuff during this course. It's gonna be an examination at the end, like Eric said Susanna asks if I'm not able to go on the 5th of November for this in-person workshop, will there be a recording that I can take part of? You'll still get the recordings off the week. or the kind of regular content of the week. I think it's keyboard navigation. You're gonna watch those and so on. But there will not be a recording of that. That session, it's a thing you either have to be there or B square. Is that how we say it in English? since uh yeah it would be very difficult to um experience from from a remotely. And like I said, everything else in this course is gonna be remote. You do not have to be on that that session. But if you have the opportunity then come see it as a bonus thing. And um yeah, it was something some students asked for during the first course that we had. So we added it at the end of the course and now and then they said hey we would have liked to have this at the beginning of the course because we kind of learn to know uh each other but yeah then everyone at the beginning of the course oh what's this am I missing something so don't worry you not don't have to be there um and you'll still get content for that week to to learn. Cool, thanks for for the questions. I think um it's time to wrap up. Um Thanks for joining this this session. Next time we see each other or you guys see each other is next Tuesday at one o'clock with Eric. it's going to be more VCAG and before that you check out the videos on Canvas, jot down your questions and reflections and bring those to that session.

Yeah, and one thing that I that I should think we should have said. So I I'm saying it now, interrupting your your goodbye We try to push to publish the live sessions at the same day, the recordings. Sometimes it can be early the the day after, you know, because you know. meetings or anything. So uh just just be aware. We try to do it as as quick as possible, but sometimes it's just like a little bit more um

Alright, final thing from Susanne. Where can I find the info about the 5th of November in Canvas or Slack? I'll uh we this should be like a a form for it. I'll talk to I'll talk to the chess people and make sure that we post it in in Slack. And you have the slides. You have a slide on it that is on Canvas already. Alright, good. Let's keep in touch on Slack and Great to have kicked things off. See you, see you guys.

Bye. Take care. Bye.

Thank you. Bye-bye.